Worship Him through realizing all He is to you. His names, titles, and 
characters help us understand who He really is. Here are more that help us know Him better.
| Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Jhn 8:58. Holy, Holy, Holy is Jehovah of Hosts. Isa 6:3 | |
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| Jehovah | Isa 40:3 |
| The Lord Jehovah | Isa 40:10 |
| Jehovah my God | Zec 14:5 |
| Jehovah of Hosts | Isa 6:3; Jhn 12:41 |
| Jehovah, God of Hosts | Hsa 12:4, 5;Gen 32:24 |
| The King, Jehovah of Hosts | Isa 6:5 |
| The Strong and Mighty Jehovah | Psa 24:8 |
| Jehovah, mighty in battle | Psa 24:8 |
| The Man, Jehovah’s Fellow | Zec 13:7 |
| Jehovah-tsidkenu (the Lord our righteousness) | Jer 23:6 |
| The Lord | Rom 10:13; Joe 2:32 |
| The Lord of Glory | 1Cr 2:8 |
| The Same | Hbr 1:12; Psa 102:27 |
| I am | Exd 3:14; Jhn 8:24 |
| I am (before Abraham was) | Jhn 8:58 |
| I am (whom they sought to kill) | Jhn 18:5, 6 |
| I am (the Son of Man lifted up) | Jhn 8:28 |
| I am (the Resurrection and the Life) | Jhn 11:25 |
The Good News 
It looks like you are mixing two different Bible characters here; namely One God, the Elohim Adonai Eternal Spirit and secondly the Son of God, who is a man of flesh and blood. that Nazarene man his name was Jeshua (or Yashua), not Jehovah.
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I do worship him but in my view I am worshiping the God-Man, the only unique Son of God. Son of God probably means something different to me. Again my focus here is worship of the Trinity(all members are worthy) The essence of this triune God is found in Jesus, the Son of the Father.
More on that can be found in this comment though not exhaustive of course. There is so much to say about Him–the books of the earth could not contain if all that could be said were attempted.(the Apostle John, Gospel of John)
https://goodnewsnow.wordpress.com/2015/02/18/names-titles-and-characters-of-jesus-christ-2/#comment-2916
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Do you not think we best follow the words of the Bible itself and take the words of God and Jesus for granted, accepting that they also tell the truth?
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Jesus was already promised before Abraham was born, because God promised a solution for the fall of man, and that solution is Jesus the son of God who clearly knew very well his position, being lower than angels at first and lower than God to whom he prayed “Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me. Yet not My will, but Yours be done.”
If Jesus was to be God he always would have done his own will.(and would not have told the truth on many occasions.)
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Christadelphians, Yes, I believe that Jesus is God, He appeared to men many times in the Old Testament, and He has the Father’s blessing as God: In Hebrews chapter 1, His Father calls Him God. This Father says that angels and all creatures should worship the Son.
5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,“You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Or again,“I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”?
6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”
7 Of the angels he says, “He makes his angels winds, and his ministers a flame of fire.”
8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”
There is so much more there in the Word that points to our need for Him and for our worship of Him.
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What do you say when Scripture tells us that Jesus was lower than angels, that Jesus was tempted and died (God cannot be tempted nor die) and that Jesus has come to be a high pries for God about Whom Jesus said he could do nothing without Him Who is greater than Him to whom Jesus came to sit at His right hand to be a mediator between God and man. In case Jesus is God than he often did not tell the truth and can not mediate between himself.
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I worship Jesus, the Son of God. I worship the Father, Jesus’ Father, I worship the Holy Spirit. I don’t worship 3 gods. I worship the One God. I invite you to worship Him. That is why I put these Titles out there. Worship Him. He paid for you liberation. Worship Him. I love apologetics but now is not the time. This is Holy Week. It is the time to worship Him.
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We remember Christ Jesus who died for mankind, whilst God can not die. We also remember the resurrection of Jeshua, Jesus Christ, who after three days in hell was taken up out of the dead by his heavenly Father. What would God have to look for in hell when the Scriptures tell us that He has not to fear any man nor death. Jesus had all the reason to sweat blood and water, Being afraid for man and for death, even asking God why He had abandoned him. If Jesus is God he cannot abandon himself and then Jesus would also be a spirit, though he clearly said to his apostles he was no spirit and that God is greater than him.
In the man Jeshua from Nazareth (Jesus Christ) we do have an example to what can happen to us, in case Jesus is God we have not hope at all because than we still do not know that a man can be taken out of the dead, plus it creates a very cruel God who does not tell the truth on several occasions (which would be considered telling lies or which the Bible calls sinning, though it tells us that God does not tell lies and that Jesus did not sin.) and who let the people wait such a long time and still have them waiting so many years (remember that after World War III there will still be a thousand years.)
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Christadelphians, I just don’t know what to say. I read 2 paragraphs of an attempt at precise theology. Then, I see something about “World War III.” I can’t relate that to anything to do with the true identity of Jesus Christ.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. This one verse gives me much to contemplate regarding the true identity of Jesus, the Messiah. This is just one verse, there are many, many more that relate to the true identity of Jesus.
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You say you “can’t relate that to anything to do with the true identity of Jesus Christ.” but we were talking about your way of presenting God pointing out that in your way of thinking this would be a very cruel God.
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I probably did not explain myself well.
I said:
Christadelphians, I just don’t know what to say. I read 2 paragraphs of an attempt at precise theology. Then, I see something about “World War III.” I can’t relate that to anything to do with the true identity of Jesus Christ.
I understood where you were coming from in your 2 paragraphs. I am not saying I agree or disagree with your thoughts there. Then, you spoke about a World War III which has nothing to do with anything from the Bible and I could not link you exposition on the identity of Christ with anything to do with a war. At least you did not tie the two together for my understanding.
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Christadelphians, I received your follow up notes on John 1:1. The quotes of certain versions did not come from the main collections of manuscripts largely used for translation of the greek to any language. Those would be the Textus Receptus and Westcott & Hort.
Okay, I did not that NWT must stand for New World Translation. This may explain fully where you are originating from. The New World Translation was developed by the Watchtower organization. They used neither Textus Receptus nor Westcott & Hort. Thus in that translation we find the significant deviation which cannot be derived from Textus Receptus nor Westcott & Hort manuscripts.
So because these quotes don’t come from accepted and scholarly manuscript collections, neither can I accept those quotes as valid. I am sorry. I just cannot. I am trusting valid sources for my translation work since I don’t read greek or Aramaic.
I am sorry.
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Christadelphians, I noted that your next comment to this blog quoted from the American Standard Version. Thank you! That is a very acceptable translation to English. It was translated from the Westcott & Hort collection of manuscripts.
I’ll note here the ASV transation of John 1:1
John 1 American Standard Version (ASV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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You quoted John 1:1 in the ABP. Did you mean to do that? Literal translation is “God IS the word.” That doesn’t help make your case at all.
I am Trinitarian. You are not. I worship the Trinitarian God. End of story for me. I know Him. Born again. Redeemed by the Blood. Saved. Known by Him. Loved. I know grace, the grace of God. I am fulfilled.
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Yes we especially took a trinitarian Bible translation with its own notes and references to the Strong Numbers so that you yourself could see what the difference was between ‘a god’ and ‘the God’ and what is really written in John 1. But you did not seem to notice it when you looked up the numbers (or perhaps you did not bother to check those numbers?).
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Thank you. I can look up the numbers.
Looking up the numbers does not resolve anything. theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ. So some would take theos to mean “a god.” I get that. The author or authors of the Strong’s Concordance(I have one) translates theos in this context(John 1:1) as “god” or “God.” I believe that is the correct translation but I am not a Greek scholar and maybe you aren’t either?
So, John 1:1 is not a proof text. However, I believe it is in some respects. It is to me because John puts Jesus in context I don’t believe an honest seeker comes away from that Gospel, except believing Jesus claimed equality with and essence of God. Just add the context. v 14 and v 18. He claimed authority equivalent to the Father, John 5 (22-24). Hey don’t take John’s quotes of Jesus’ words, look at John 8 and John 10 and see what the religious leaders he was speaking to thought of Him (blasphemer, why did they conclude that?) The Jews tell us what He was saying: They see Him only as a man. He was claiming to be God. (John 10:33)
I believe that anyone who will prostrate himself before the Cross of Jesus and accept that His blood was given to atone for your sins and place their faith in Jesus and His blood’s atonement alone will pass from death to life–even if they don’t believe that He is God. If Jesus desires to lead them to that truth, He will take them there. The issue is the blood–the blood He shed for the sins of many. Are you in the many? Do you look to Him and His blood to atone your sins?
My sins make me very needy. My need is His cleansing blood and not an intellectual exercise. Oh, I love the study but I love my Savior more for His affect on my heart and life. I am transformed by Jesus and because I placed my faith in His blood’s application to my personal sin–not even because of what I believe about Him. You carry His name “Christ”, Christadelphians I hope you get that main truth He is presenting to you. He offers Himself! And not any intellectual pursuit. Any other pursuit leads only to death. Pursue Him.
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I have long been out of apologetics mode in my life. I have a history in apologetics going back many years including a study of Islam and Christianity and a refutation of Bart Ehrman’s claims in all his pop scholarly writings. I concluded that they are pop but not scholarly. All that to say I have done my homework over many years.
On John 1:1, I looked back at the English Standard Version notes on the verse. The ESV is one of the latest translations taken from the Westcott and Hort collection of manuscripts. Why is that important? It is not drastically important except that around the world manuscript portions of the new testament are still being discovering and many of those are added to the Westcott and Hort collection. Here is the ESV notes on John 1:1.
***In the beginning was the Word*** echoes the opening phrase of the book of Genesis, “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” John will soon identify this Word as Jesus (v.14), but here he locates Jesus’ existence in eternity past with God. The term “the Word” (Greek, Logos) conveys the notion of divine self-expression or speech and has a rich OT background. God’s Word is effective: God speaks, and things come into being (Gen. 1:3, 9; Ps. 33:6; 107:20; Isa. 55:10-11), and by speech he relates personally to his people(e.g., Gen 15:1). John also shows how this concept of “the Word” is superior to a Greek philosophical concept of “Word” (logos) as an impersonal principle of Reason that gave order to the universe. ***And the Word was with God*** indicates interpersonal relationship “with” God, but then ***and the Word was God*** affirms that this Word was also the same God who created the universe “in the beginning.” Here are the building blocks that go into the doctrine of the Trinity: the one true God consists of more than one person, they relate to each other, and they have always existed. From the Patristic period (Arius, c. A.D. 256-336) until the present day (Jehovah’s Witnesses), some have claimed that “the Word was God” merely identifies Jesus as a god rather than identifying Jesus as God, because the Greek word for God, Theos, is not preceded by a definite article. However, in Greek grammar, Colwell’s Rule indicates that the translation “a god” is not required, for lack of an article does not necessarily indicate indefiniteness (“a god” ) but rather specifiies that a given term (“God”) is the predicate nominative of a definite subject (“the Word”). This means that the context must determine the meaning of Theor here, and teh context clearly indicates that this “God” that John is talking about (“the Word”) is the one true God who created all things (see also John 1:6, 12, 13, 18 for other examples of Theos without a definite article but clearly meaning “God”).
The ESV note on John 1:1 is documented elsewhere also on this blog.
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Alright, I read this: “Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.” You refer to the Watchtower here too. I believe in the Jehovah, LORD of the Old Testament. I am not a Jehovah’s Witness, I am a Jesus Witness. We can agree to disagree and be on our way.
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